Posted by on Nov 13, 2013 in Blog, Book Reviews, Media | 6 comments

In mid-September I received an interesting invitation from a journalist calling himself “The Thinking Atheist.” He told me that he had seen one of my websites and was intrigued by my take on the Watchtower Society and Jehovah’s Witnesses. Part of my appeal, he said, was that I did not seem to be “angry,” nor was I busy trying to promote some other religion as my preferred substitute for Watchtower doctrine. He asked if I would agree to be a guest on his podcast scheduled for Tuesday, September 17th. I enthusiastically said “Yes!”

My segment was actually recorded a short time before the broadcast via a telephonic hookup. Seth Andrews (his real name) assured me that he could edit for any serious technical issues or interruptions that might come up during the recording session. That turned out to be a good thing. During the recording call my little Maltese lap dog saw someone walking their Golden Retriever in front of our house and started yapping at the top of her voice for about 20 seconds. As you can tell when you listen to the edited podcast, he did a great job. Other than that small glitch, what you hear was our totally unrehearsed and non-scripted conversation. Absolutely!!!

I would also suggest that you check out his collection of podcasts ( and also his YouTube video site ( – whether your personal opinions lean toward non-belief in an almighty god or are those of a thinking Christian. You’ll find that Seth creates well-made media resources to present his clear thinking and logical critiques of modern religious practices and beliefs.

It is one of the most unusual and mysterious churches (cults?) in the world.

But what, exactly, is a Jehovah’s Witness? What do JWs believe? Do they truly believe that only 144,000 will achieve God’s Kingdom, and what does that mean? (And is it true that a Jehovah’s Witness is forbidden to buy Girl Scout Cookies?)

Our special guests include:

John Hoyle, a former Jehovah’s Witnesses who is now behind the websites,, and

James Zimmerman, author of the upcoming book, Deliverance at Hand!: The Redemption of a Devout Jehovah’s Witness

Plus your calls and emails:


  1. 11-13-2013

    Excellent podcast. I thought I knew a lot about JW, until I heard this. All the participants were well spoken and had unique perspectives on the life of a JW. John Hoyle had some amazing insights into shunning. Amazing stuff.

  2. 11-13-2013

    I really enjoyed the podcast The Thinking Atheist I listened to the entire podcast. About Jehovah’s Witnesses and Ex Jehovah’s witnesses. He is a thinking Atheist who asked questions and got answers to his Questions. You will notice how calm he was in his Questions. He is worth listening too.

  3. The Editor

    Bob and Robert III – Just to let you know that the above article was accidentally published while still being edited. So the final version is quite different than the version you saw. Thanks for your very kind comments. And please check out Seth’s videos and podcasts. He presents his views and observations in a very clear and professional manner.

  4. Richard E. Kelly

    John, your interview with Seth was awesome! You did an outstanding job as an interviewee. You have to do this again and again. This will get some big-time attention if the right ears can hear it.

  5. 3-20-2014

    It was that podcast that led me here. I an neither a former witness, nor an atheist. However, have friends who are JW’s and would love to see them leave the organization. This podcast is very insightful.

  6. 4-12-2016

    Recently Mom (non-JW) passed, my eldest Sis (JW for 49 years) wanted me to take care of everything so I (non-JW) did – have been Mom’s 24/7 caregiver for the last 7 years. When Sis found out that I was left the house and her and my other Sis (non-JW) the monies, stock, life insurance, & furniture, all the sudden she wanted to be executor as nominated in the will & I’m ok with that. She read me the riot act about she should get more than was in the will so I contacted an Attorney for advice & he said she needed to file probate if she wanted the job, & he said it’s just that, a job. When I told her this, she went vile on me with texts for 4.5 hr. I did not respond with same vileness. I read in the PDF of Sheppard of the Flock of God – Chapter 5, that she had committed at least three dis-fellowshippable offense. I realize that the WBTS would back her, and I wouldn’t want to bring that on her – but still the same, she has committed the offenses ie; lying, bearing false witness, reviling. She and her “Elder” husband didn’t really want to use legal channels to settle the estate until she realized she couldn’t do it any other way and currently doesn’t want to give me time to legal counsel, just wants to bully & bum rush me. I used to bristle when folks would call JW’s a cult – however – my Sis has done a stellar job, (and extensive research into the “Organization” and it’s Founders) – that this, this entity is in fact a Cult. Thanks for letting me vent.

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